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    Low protein for chronic kidney disease

    Well I saw my Nephrologist and got good news sorta. Have chronic kidney disease Stage Four, labwork came back and numbers improved. But need to decrease my doseage of Biotrust Nutrition Low Carb protein shakes per drs. orders because of protein in the urine, but I believe that between taking the protein supplement and losing 42 pounds in 3.5 months it has helped me out. Also my blood pressure has lowered too! I swear by Biotrust Nutrition Low Carb and Leptiburn and IC-5!

    Was wondering if I lower the doseage of Low Carb to one scoop once daily will that slow down my weight loss? I average 2 pounds per week of weight lost on the full doseage.

    Also, was wondering about a change in my exercise habits. Currently I bicycle for 60 minutes a day. I'm thinking of trying something other than cardio. Can anyone recommend a good exercise program that uses all the muscles? I have lost some weight around my belly but still have a lot to lose.

    I currently have 85 pounds to lose to get to my goal of 179 pounds and want to speed up my weight loss. Any suggestions deeply appreciated!

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    Hi Kstefaniak123, congratulations on the progress so far. If I were you I would look into strength training, either weights or bands. The big advantage you get from strength training is an increase in your metabolic rate. With cycling the metabolic boost you get from it stops within an hour of your cycling session ending. With strength training they used to say the metabolic boost lasts 24 - 48 hours and I read a recent report that said that the metabolic boost might actually last up to 72 hours. I should admit though that I absolutely love weight training so I am pretty biased. A couple of other advantages of strength training are increases in muscle density and bone density.

    ...Greg

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    Thanks, Greg! It's been a lot of work getting to this point I must say. At 57 yrs. old and extremely overweight I figured I'd lose the weight bicycling. I lost 80 lbs in the past that way. But gained that and more back when I went back to just eating "normal" foods. Now I have changed my eating habits along with taking BioTrust Nutrition products which I love!! But according to my dr. I have to either cut the low carb proteins out or at least cut the doseage in half. I hope that does not stop my weight loss.

    I must admit I'm not familiar with strength training with weights and bands. I do have 5 lb. hand weights that I used with a cardio dvd, are those what you are talking about? Or does it have to be the heavy weights that bodybuilders use? And what sort of exercises do you do with weights? I'm interested in the fact that the metabolic boost might last 72 hrs.!

    Any info you can share would be most helpful.

    Thank you,
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    You are quite welcome, I am the same age you are so you don't have to worry about me being some young buck who will tell you to do things that folks our age shouldn't be doing. I don't have any medical training and don't have the answer to your question on the protein but if your doctor says to cut back then I would say you should.

    I am also not a certified trainer so giving you specific workouts to do would be irresponsible of me. You don't have to try and lift the kind of weights bodybuilders do but they should be a little heavier than 5 pounds. If you have room in your budget I would recommend going to a local gym and hiring a trainer for an hour to teach you how to lift and design a workout program for you. They may try and sell you on having them guide your workouts every week but I don't think you need that, you just need to be shown proper technique to make sure you don't end up injuring yourself. Generally what they call compound exercises, which are exercises that work groups of muscles are considered more effective than isolation exercises, which are designed to work specific muscles. A good trainer should be able to plan a workout for you that keeps things balanced, which is pretty important too.

    A good site that might give you some ideas is Neghar Fonooni's. She is the fiance of one of the authors of the program I am following right now and there could some very helpful tips for you there.

    As for the metabolic boost, I can tell you that I recently had what is known as a body composition scan, it maps out your body and calculates lean mass, bone density and fat levels. It also calculates your resting metabolic rate. An average adult has a resting metabolic rate of 1200 calories, which means that just living, without any exercise, burns 1200 calories a day. My resting metabolic rate is 1568 calories, an increase of 368 calories day. I was pretty pleased about that.

    If you have any questions please feel free to post them here and I will do my best to answer them, responsibly.

    ...Greg

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    Oh it's so good to hear you are the same age and understand I may not be able to do the workouts "young-in's" can do! And yes I will cut down on my protein shakes like my doctor has prescribed. I just hope the weight loss continues, you know? I've worked hard to get here and still have a long road to travel.

    Your suggestion of weight training sounds good. I could look into finding a trainer to help.

    Thanks for the suggestion of the site I'll have to check that out.

    The body composition scan sounds interesting. Where do you have something like that done? At a gym? As you can tell I'm new to this. I'm so psyched that BioTrust has these forums that you can ask for help. Definitely a plus! Besides them having the most incredible products!

    Well you were most helpful Greg and I really appreciate your help!

    Time to hit the sack 6am comes quick enough!

    Goodnight,
    Kathy

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    There is some great information being shared in this thread-Thank You, Kathy and Greg!

    Kathy, first and foremost, congratulations on your tremendous weight loss success, as well as your drastic improvements in health! You have done an outstanding job! As far as the doctor's suggestion to decrease your protein intake, we cannot rebut those recommendations. It's hard to say for certain if the decreased protein intake will slow down your progress. In healthy individuals, we know that a higher protein intake is associated with a better weight loss profile, retention/building of lean muscle mass, and preservation of metabolic rate.

    As far as your questions about exercise, Greg has done a great job of pointing you in the right direction. He also highlights some outstanding points and benefits of resistance training, specifically the acute and chronic boost in metabolic rate. It's a generally accepted fact that individuals experienced a 2 - 4% reduction in resting metabolic rate (that which Greg referred to above) with each passing decade after the age of 25. This means that if you had a resting metabolic rate of 1500 when you were 25, it would be down to about 1200 by the age of 55 (exactly what Greg said above).

    However, people lose about 5 pounds of lean mass per decade between the ages of 25 to 65. Because muscle is so metabolically active, this muscle loss is believed to be directly responsible for the majority of the metabolic decline. So rather than being age-related, this metabolic decline is lifestyle-related. That is, what's generally accepted as "normal" aging may in fact be the result of inactivity. And, there's research to support that this age-related decline is not inevitable and can be nearly completely avoided by maintaining an active lifestyle and including progressive resistance training in one's exercise habits.

    That being said, I do encourage you to visit this article on the Forums:

    http://www.biotrustboard.com/showthr...-%28Article%29

    It is not a complete program by any means, but it will get you thinking in the right direction. What's more, you'll realize that the 1 hour that you spend exercising on a stationary bike may be far better invested in other activities. For example, you might consider doing "intervals" as opposed to steady-state exercise on the bicycle. Intervals typically involve exercising at a very high intensity (on a scale of 1 - 10 with 10 being the hardest, these intervals would be performed at 8 - 9) with intermittent periods of rest or reduced activity (i.e., 2 - 3 on the same scale).

    As Greg has pointed out and the information I've cited above solidifies, resistance training is a huge piece of the puzzle. The benefits of resistance training (from a calorie-burning standpoint) are three-fold: 1. it burns calories during activity; 2. it leads to an elevated metabolism for 24 - 48 hours after; and 3. it leads to the building/preservation of lean muscle mass, which becomes increasingly metabolically active. That doesn't even touch on the other potential health properties of improving cardiovascular measures (i.e., cholesterol, triglycerides, blood pressure, etc.) as well as insulin sensitivity.

    Greg is probably right on point that if you've never done any resistance training, then you'd be wise to consider hiring a personal trainer. A good personal trainer will run a variety of screens and assessments prior to getting started with you, as these are tools that will allow him/her to set up the proper program for you (i.e., meet you where you are at). While the machines in the gym are fancy, nice-looking, and have their application, a good exercise program will involve you moving your own body. As Greg mentioned, movements that use an array of muscle mass and joints (he called them "compound movements") will do the most to facilitate your metabolism and optimize your body's hormones.

    I know there is a lot of information here, Kathy, so I will leave you with this for now, as I believe that I've created a platform for more questions than I have answers.
    Tim Skwiat, MEd., CSCS, Pn1
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    BioTRUST Nutrition: We are THE premium, natural nutrition brand committed to integrity, excellence, and giving back.

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    Yes, Greg shared some great information regarding metabolic resistance training that intrigued me. I plan on looking into it more closely. It sounds like something that I am ready for on my weight loss journey.

    Thank you for your kind words, Tim. I'm very proud of my weight loss success so far and thrilled that BioTrust Nutrition played a big part in that! Needless to say, I was extremely bummed out when my doctor advised me to discontinue my use of the low carb protein shakes. I absolutely love them! But as a kidney specialist she knows what's best for me. I informed her that it was due to BioTrust Nutrition Low Carb Protein shakes that helped me with my drastic weight loss in such a short time! She was impressed to say the least. At some point in time, when my kidneys improve, I will resume using the shakes but I sure will miss them in the meantime!

    I appreciate your help, Tim, in getting me to think in the right direction. I absolutely need something more than spending an hour a day on an exercise bicycle. I read your article on "Critical Elements of Weight Loss Training" and understand that good nutrition along with resistance training will help me with my weight loss goals. I have changed the way I look at eating by choosing healthy fruits and vegetables over processed convenience foods. Now I will change the way I look at exercising.

    Can't thank you enough for your help Tim. It's so great that BioTrust Nutrition not only helps people with their excellant nutritional products but has extremely intelligent staff to help answer their questions and guide people in the right direction!

    Go BioTrust!

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    Hi Kathy, sorry for the delay in answering. There is a company in my city that does nothing but body composition scans and it is an interesting process. While not really necessary it helps for nerds like me that like to see the numbers. It gives a complete breakdown of where I am carrying the most and least fat and as I bought a block of 4 scans I can compare the results as I progress through the program I am on. Mine pointed out a pretty significant difference in muscle mass between my legs that I will need to work on. That difference has been there for years and came from favoring one leg when I weighed a lot more.

    I agree that these forums and Team BioTrust are great. It is comforting to have them in our corner in our battle against fat. Any time I have wondered about how to get the most out of their products I have found the answer in these forums.

    ...Greg

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    Hey Greg, That's fine, welcome back. Sounds interesting to have these scans done. It helps to find out where you need the most work done, right? Like if you weigh more in your left leg then you would exercise that leg more, correct? Hey, I checked out that website you mentioned and subscribed to it. I'm excited about that because it's my first "move" learning about exercising beyond cardio. In fact, today I reread a thread about a Craig Ballyntyne and looked into his Home Workout Revolution system. I purchased the program and received the downloads and watched the videos. I believe it's the metabolic resistance training you mentioned in our earlier discussion. I watched just a few of the videos, the starter ones, and realized I'm not set up at home properly to do these exercises. And they were simple pretty much except I would have problems doing pushups and some of the other ones like the jumping jacks I wouldn't have room in my basement to do-low ceilings-I was bummed out! My first step away from cardio too! Looks like I may have to join a gym afterall. Still need to look into that. But what I wanted to say was I actually got really excited thinking "outside the box!" Cool huh? And I owe it to you! Now I just have to get myself to a gym and see how much it would cost. But I'm excited because I know I really need to do this to work this weight off of me! I want to become "fit."

    Yes, Team BioTrust is awesome! It is really comforting to have them in our corner in our fight against fat!

    Great chatting with you Greg!

    Kathy

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    Hi Kathy, you will find the whole journey is exciting as you progress! Think of what you are doing as starting a new lifestyle which will carry you into your later years in awesome shape. I haven't seen any of Craig's workouts but he is a very well known trainer and a member of the BioTrust advisory board. You can't go wrong with a program like that. Just let yourself progress at your own rate. If you want to do something that is not only fun but motivating, what you should do is write down a journal of your first workout and note just what you could and couldn't do. Every few months take that journal out and compare it to what you are doing at that point. The other day when I was warming up I realized that what I do for a warm up now would have been a grueling workout for me 6 years ago. It can help to put things in perspective for you. I couldn't do a single push up when I started and now they are just part of my warm up routine before I get to the real exercises.

    Please know that you will always have me, along with the rest of the community here in your corner. We want nothing more than for you to reach your goals and live the life you deserve to.

    What I learned from that scan about my legs is I have less muscle mass on one leg so I know I have to work it a little more to get my legs balanced out, but that will be on my to-do list after I finish the program I am on at the moment.

    I won't overwhelm you with suggestions right now but a little later on I will tell you how I use goal setting to keep myself motivated.

    The way I see it we are at the point in our lives where we can be teenagers again. We are old enough now that we can do what we want and it makes it a lot easier to do those things if we are fit. LOL, just remember not to do the dumber things we did. . .

    I look forward to seeing your posts as you move along, in no time you will be helping other people who are where you are right now and that is a darn good feeling.

    It is great chatting with you too and it gives me a shot in the arm to see someone like yourself who is starting to embrace the change!

    You rock Kathy!

    ...Greg

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